Episode 1033 - Martial Things with Tashi Mark

In this episode join Andrew in whistlekick’s new series called Martial Things. This week he sits down and chats with Tashi Mark with a plan to talk about……. nothing. No plan, just a conversation to see where it takes them.

Martial Things with Tashi Mark - Episode 1033

SUMMARY

In this episode of Whistlekick Martial Arts Radio, Andrew Adams and Tashi Mark engage in a free-flowing conversation about various aspects of martial arts training. They discuss the importance of training environments, temperature preferences, outdoor training experiences, and the value of traveling for martial arts.

The conversation also touches on the significance of dojo field trips, building relationships between schools, the role of demo teams, and the importance of weapon training in martial arts. Throughout the discussion, they emphasize the need for martial artists to be adaptable and open to learning from different experiences.

TAKEAWAYS

• The format of the show allows for spontaneous conversation.

• Training in different environments can enhance martial arts skills.

• Temperature can significantly affect training performance.

• Outdoor training offers unique challenges and benefits.

• Traveling for martial arts training can broaden perspectives.

• Dojo field trips foster community and learning between schools.

• Demo teams provide a supportive environment for students to grow.

• Weapon training helps develop fundamental skills in martial arts.

• Building relationships with other schools enriches the martial arts experience.

• Comfort with discomfort is essential for martial artists.

CHAPTERS

00:00 Introduction
02:00 Training Environment Preferences
05:00 The Importance of Temperature in Training
07:59 Outdoor Training Experiences
11:00 Traveling for Martial Arts Training
14:00 The Value of Dojo Field Trips
16:59 Building Relationships Between Schools
20:05 The Role of Demo Teams in Martial Arts
22:45 Weapon Training in Martial Arts
25:49 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

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SHOW TRANSCRIPT

Andrew Adams (00:49.579)

Welcome you're listening or watching to the next episode of Whistlekick martial arts radio and today I'm joined by Tashi Mark. Mark how are you doing today?

Mark (00:58.498)

I'm doing super wicked awesome great. That's

Andrew Adams (01:01.059)

Super wicked, awesome, great, wag. I like that. That's good. We are here to chat about stuff, but we don't know what that stuff is yet because this is our next installment of Marshall Thoughts where we come in without a plan and we just kind of wing it and just talk. Just talk martial arts and have a nice conversation. But before we get there, I want to make sure to let all of our listeners and perhaps viewers know because you could be watching on YouTube.

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Andrew Adams (03:26.667)

and help support the show financially. would really mean a lot to us to have your support. So, Toshi Mark, we are here to just hang out and chat. So I'm curious, how are you doing besides swag? What's going on in your life these days? How are things with the school?

Mark (03:45.688)

School's going great, we're getting ready for summer, getting ready for camps. I have five weeks of camp this year. It was gonna be amazing because I get to spend much time in the sun. As you can see out the back window, the sun is shining in here. It's another beautiful day. It's up to like 70 something already. I'm happy, I'm so happy it's up there. Had a little bit of rain, so this is good. Life is good.

Andrew Adams (04:05.335)

Ha ha ha.

Andrew Adams (04:09.507)

Now, so let's talk about weather for a second. I know it's so cliche. Let's talk about the weather. So what's your ideal temperature for training in? Do you prefer to sweat when you're training or just stay a nice constant temperature? Would you rather train in the cold?

Mark (04:28.59)

I like it right around 70 degrees, 65 to 70 degrees. If it gets around 75, my thoughts tend to dissipate, at least until I get activated, which would be like mid August. So when it gets above 75, I can start kind of move, but not really. So right around 65 to 70 is the best. I can keep moving, 70, I can stretch, to stretch. I get the body nice and warmed up.

Andrew Adams (04:44.184)

Hmm.

Mark (04:58.222)

So that's a good thing. So when you're an executive like myself, you want it a little bit warm so we can stretch out, not too cold, not too hot. I'm kind of like a goatee locks in the three degrees of weather.

Andrew Adams (05:00.725)

And go ahead.

Andrew Adams (05:14.445)

Just right. So, I mean, I know of instructors that really like hot and they want their students to really sweat and get a good, you know, a good sweat, which some would call a good workout. I would argue you can sweat a lot and not be doing much depending on the temperature, but they make it, they have made it a point to not have...

Mark (05:16.718)

That's right.

Mark (05:35.437)

Mm-hmm.

Andrew Adams (05:40.013)

fans in their schools or not have air conditioners and if it's hot you just train and that's just the way it is. What are your thoughts on that?

Mark (05:48.158)

Well, there's two sides to this. Actually, there's many sides to this. It really should not affect the martial artist. And I'm going to put that phrase in air quotes because as an American, as a martial artist, it should not affect you as a higher ranked martial artist. I went to the, I was in a trip to Philippines a few years back. From there, we went to Indonesia where it was actually warmer. was like eighties in the Philippines, hundred and.

Indonesia. So we had to go back to the Philippines after that and it felt cool. It was like 80 degrees, so cool. it's all kind of introspective on the heat. However, when I come back to this country, I think about all my students who may not be wearing black sashes or black belts at this time and for their mental benefit and their emotional benefit.

I'll keep my school right around 72 degrees because it makes them happy. If it makes them happy, I'm happy. Everybody's happy.

Andrew Adams (06:53.091)

Sure. Yeah, I mean, I think there's an argument to be made for training. And I know that you will agree with the statement I'm about to make, which is you have to learn to be comfortable being uncomfortable, right?

Mark (07:10.956)

Yep, definitely for sure.

Andrew Adams (07:12.131)

And so I think there's an argument to be made for, know, if you always train in, you know, 70 degree weather, for example, and you're never sweating, and then you go out on the street and you have to defend yourself and it's 95 degrees, you're not going to know what that's like, right? It's very different. But on the other side, if your students come into class and they are so unhappy because it's so sweltering,

Mark (07:30.454)

Right,

Mark (07:38.904)

Mm-hmm.

Andrew Adams (07:41.636)

The upper ranked students may recognize this is an important skill to learn how to do, but your lower ranked students aren't and they're just gonna be uncomfortable and they're just gonna choose, you know what, it's, oh man, it's four o'clock and class is in an hour and a half and I know it's gonna be 95 degrees and there's no AC and there's no fan, maybe I'll skip class today, you know? Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. So I think there's something to be said for, you know,

Mark (07:46.658)

Yeah.

Mark (07:53.186)

Peace.

Mark (08:02.092)

Maybe I could swim and go to the beach dead.

Andrew Adams (08:09.251)

being able to train in extreme temperatures, whether it be hot or whether it be cold. And again, I think it's student dependent, right? Have you ever taken your students, whatever rank, outside in the cold to train outside when it's really, really cold out?

Mark (08:30.104)

Well, I'm going to be quite honest, quite frank and say no. And there's actually a reason I say no, because I was in the United States infantry back in the eighties and I did cold. did hot. So when I go camping, I usually go into a hotel room somewhere. However, it's all up to extremes. I will go and do it. I go out in the woods every day. I try to get out there today. Sometimes when it gets real cold, it's like

Andrew Adams (08:33.513)

huh.

Andrew Adams (08:48.375)

Yeah.

Mark (08:59.694)

Eating the better as they would say in China eat the better. However, I remember one time I was in Korea in the service and we're standing on top of this mountain in the middle of winter. I'm sitting there doing this and my buddy sitting over there sleeping. I'm like, how can you sleep? He looks up and goes, you haven't been to Alaska yet have you? I'm like, well, nope. So it's can be better. Always can be worse. We want to have the kids eat just enough better to make them.

Andrew Adams (09:16.727)

Ha

Mark (09:29.64)

used to it but not too much to make them BLEH.

Andrew Adams (09:32.716)

Yeah, yeah, I would agree. I have never been in a school that has done that. you know, in the, and I could be wrong, I could be mistaken with the word I'm going to use, but I think in the Japanese culture, it's a gushuku, which is a training at a specific place, like usually outdoors. And so you would do a gushuku training, like on the beach in the water, for example, or, you know,

Mark (09:51.554)

Mm-hmm. Yep.

Andrew Adams (09:59.948)

You always see movie montages of people, what a great movie out there, best of the best, right?

Mark (10:06.444)

That's a best- my favorite.

Andrew Adams (10:09.429)

I know, I know, right? But you know, the Korean team goes outside, they're training outdoors in the winter, they're running through the snow, they're, you know, doing this training at the waterfall. Like, you know, I know schools that do that sort of thing and I've never been a part of it. And I think it's, again, there's a lot of things to be gleaned from training in locations like that. But again, I feel like the

Mark (10:17.431)

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Mark (10:31.128)

Yes.

Andrew Adams (10:36.003)

lower ranked students might not get as much out of it. They might see it as being, I'm uncomfortable because it's cold outside. And obviously you have to be, you have to, as an instructor, have to be safe, right? You can't have people barefoot outside in the snow for hours on end because that's unsafe. I think there's, you know, that's kind of a cool, no pun intended, would be a cool thing to do every once in a while.

Mark (10:42.764)

Yep.

Mark (10:47.874)

Yep, yep, yep.

Mark (11:01.198)

Once in a it's good. I like to think of, first of all, when I take, when I, my, one of my students sent for the black sash, it's all outside. Usually we do in September. We had it actually do in September because a couple of July's got really too warm. So I've moved it to September so it's a little better. But we have, we have mud, we have water, we have all kinds of stuff. So that's, that's a really entertaining, entertaining weekend right there, but it's good.

Andrew Adams (11:29.966)

huh.

Mark (11:30.784)

Now, as far as other students getting outside, I like them to get out. In fact, I encourage them to outside, do something outside all the time. My adult students, their very auspicious patience, half the time they're all outside anyways doing stuff, that, doing this or that. So there's quite enough attention paid to the outside, I believe. So they're here like two or three hours a week. So I can keep them inside warm and dry and cool and warm in the winter so we can all be smiling.

Andrew Adams (12:00.366)

Yeah, you know, I, one of the things that I've done and I've talked about it on the show occasionally and you have been a part of it. So I know you know about it, but my 100 days of doing forms. And when I started that.

Mark (12:14.2)

Mm-hmm.

Andrew Adams (12:19.725)

I would do a lot of my forms in the same location. I would, you know, I would be in my home dojo out back and I'd be in there and it's a nice flat area with mats and I'd do my form and I'd post my video. But I saw a lot of other people doing theirs in different locations. I thought, you know what, I'm gonna do the same. And there is something to be said for doing your forms in, just out in my backyard on the grass where it's not a hundred percent level, you know?

It definitely changes how you move, and I think that's a valuable skill to gain as well.

Mark (12:55.828)

I agree 10,000, 10,000%. There's nothing like going on Facebook and seeing one of your great friends doing a form in a kilt on a big rock. That was made my day right there. That was a couple of years ago, I think, but that was you. yeah, that was you. But that was outstanding. A lot of times I'll be in the woods doing this, that, the other. When I do a lot of my kung fu, I like a little flatter grounds. So I'll usually get onto the grass so I can skip and hot jump and stuff like that.

Andrew Adams (13:10.221)

Yeah.

Mark (13:24.822)

In the woods, I'm usually doing my collie, being up trees. I got one out, I'm beating up, people like to string your things. I'm beating up a dead tree and everybody loves it. I'm like, all I'm doing is hitting a tree. I got my jaw on. Anyways, it is outside training. Some of the best training in the world. I highly recommend it to everyone. Go to the beach, go in the woods, go in the grass. And I know how to find ticks too. If you're afraid of ticks, this is what you do.

Andrew Adams (13:38.787)

Hahaha

Mark (13:53.378)

You get down to the grass and you start moving the grass about like this. Now, you won't find your ticks, but they will find you. They'll crawl right up your leg and can peel them off.

Andrew Adams (14:06.391)

Yep, yep, that's for sure. And we did an episode a couple of weeks ago, Jeremy and I talked about whether you're training in a school that has hardwood floors or you're training a school that has mats, right? And one of the things we talked about is the difference between in these different training environments and doing your roles and things outside on the grass is very different from on mats or even on hardwood floors, it's very different on the grass.

Mark (14:17.815)

Mm-hmm.

Andrew Adams (14:35.127)

And so I think that's a valuable skill. And I would garner to say that it's probably a skill that's underutilized. Not underutilized, it's a skill that's under trained, I think. We all could do a better job of working through those different types of environments. So I might have to think a little bit more about that. I like that.

Mark (14:45.271)

Yes.

Mark (14:48.929)

and the train.

Mark (15:00.558)

I don't know, outside is the best. There's, there are actual, there's actually grounding rugs and plates you can wear, take inside and put your feet on them. I looked at this and I'm going outside, I'm going outside barefoot, I'm going to be right in the ground. And it really makes a huge difference on the feeling of the body. It really works really well. So that's one of things I love to do. Inside, I always get my shoes on. Outside, I my shoes off. It's part of my backwoods life, I guess.

Andrew Adams (15:30.243)

It's interesting. Yeah, because most people, not all, but most people will have that reversed, right? Most of the time when you're inside, most people will have their shoes off and when they go outside, they'll put their shoes on. So, yeah.

Mark (15:35.638)

Yep. Yep.

Mark (15:40.566)

Right.

That's the kind of life I live, everything's backwards, everything's reversed. I love it.

Andrew Adams (15:50.551)

Gotcha. That's why you have lots of hair on your feet and none on your head, right?

Mark (15:53.59)

A snake. If you look at my feet, you think he must be a hobbit or something.

Andrew Adams (16:03.039)

You mentioned you've to, you've done some training overseas. What about, where else, like, you went overseas, you mentioned the Philippines and Indonesia. Where else have you trained?

Mark (16:07.106)

Yes.

Mark (16:17.838)

China, definitely right outside of Shaolin Temple. We didn't get a chance. It was with the excellent Shaolin monk, Shady Chung. We went over there. I went over with C.F. Scott Jeffries. He's out of Rockland, Mass. Went over, had a great time, great time. It was all, mostly it was outside, turning outside on a little patio.

Andrew Adams (16:21.997)

Mark (16:45.74)

doing training over this fantastic time. I remember going to the Forbidden City. We did go to Beijing for a few days. We went to the Forbidden City when it was like a hundred and something degrees. We didn't train there. It was like being in a frying pan. They big open spaces. It's like, we're like, this is great. So I made sure we drank lots of water. There's like 9,999 rooms there. I didn't see them all, but I was looking around and going, that's cool. So now.

Andrew Adams (16:59.875)

Mmm.

Mark (17:13.836)

Mark Twain has a great quote and I do not remember the entire quote about getting rid of ignorance and such as that is to travel abroad. Travel abroad, training abroad, that's awesome. Doesn't matter where you go. If you can get over there and do something with someone, it makes your life so much better.

Andrew Adams (17:30.115)

Yeah, yeah, let's talk about travel a bit. I agree wholeheartedly and I have, I'm not gonna tell the story because you have to go listen to my interview episode, 472 I think, but I was in Japan for three and a half months and tried to train martial arts when I was there and it didn't work out. And it's a funny story, go listen to my interview to hear it. But I think that,

for lack of a better word, field trips, dojo field trips. I think there's a lot to be gained from those types of trips. And you and I right now, we're talking about training overseas. I'm talking about, I was in Japan, you were in China and the Philippines and Indonesia, right? We both live on the East coast of the United States. So we're talking the other side of the world. But I actually think even...

Mark (18:20.226)

Yep. Right.

Andrew Adams (18:24.397)

Connecting with another school like just going on a dojo field trip. Hey everybody, know in on you know, two months from now on this date We are you know, we're gonna not have class here and instead we are going to You know Sensei X's school I've set it up and we're gonna go and we're gonna train for the day over there like even that I think can be cool and You really can gain a lot because you see how other people do things

Mark (18:37.707)

Mm-hmm. Yep.

Mark (18:44.216)

Yeah.

Mark (18:53.142)

I agree wholeheartedly. I'm going to pull up, put a plugin in for free turning to a martial arts summit. Cause I'm going to bring my whole, my teaching staff, my demo team, my teaching staff up there with me. Cause I think that's probably encompasses the most of really good martial artists, really good feel in one setting. It's like, boom, everything's there. It's, it's, and, and I love the city of Keene. I know you're up in Keene somewhere.

I do love that city because it's just about right. Not too city-fied, not too country-fied. as you were saying, getting out there, experiencing these things at a different location is a fantastic experience for everyone, actually.

Andrew Adams (19:37.87)

Yeah, and there's so much to be gleaned from working with other people. And obviously as an instructor, want to, for lack of a better word, where you're bringing your students. Obviously it's gonna be a school that you know, an instructor that you know likely, but how many people listening or watching right now, they go to class and they have sparring class or whatever and you sparred with

every single person there and you know exactly what for the most part like this person does these types of things and this person does this and like so you understand what people are going to do to some degree but when you go and visit another school you're working with new people and that's not to say you're going to other schools and sparring but just working with other people can be really cool and then you can do the reverse where you know maybe a few months later that school

Mark (20:17.25)

Yep. Yep.

Mark (20:26.198)

Yep.

Andrew Adams (20:35.543)

send students to your school to work out. And now those students are getting to work with you guys in a different environment. And I just think building those relationships within other schools can be really valuable. And that's not to say that traveling overseas isn't valuable as well, but I think that's different. when you get to travel, when I travel, for example, I live in Keene and when I was with my last school, we did a dojo field trip.

Mark (20:51.405)

Mm-hmm.

Andrew Adams (21:05.571)

to a martial arts school in Newport, New Hampshire, which is like an hour or so away. But it was a completely different school and it was great. We learned a lot. But if we were to have gone to Okinawa, we would have learned different stuff, but you would get more culture, right? You get to learn a little bit more because you're in a different environment. An hour away, the culture is not any.

Mark (21:11.618)

Mm-hmm. Yep.

Mark (21:22.136)

Yep. Yes.

Mark (21:30.606)

Right. Definitely. Well, I don't know. get up around Keene. Culture changes from down here in math, I'm telling you. So it is a culture shock to me anyways. But that's the magic of martial arts, one of the magic aspects of martial arts. You go to a different school, you get introduced to these different people, and all of sudden you build more camaraderie, and you will learn something. No matter where you go, what school you go to, you will learn something.

It's like that old adage of the mountain. All paths lead to the top of the same mountain. It doesn't matter what path you're on, if you're going up the mountain, you're all going to get to the top sometime.

Andrew Adams (22:14.295)

Yeah.

Yeah, and I first heard that analogy from Jesse Encamp actually, and that at the base of the mountain, Judo is really far away from Taekwondo, but as you get going up the mountain, you're close to the top, the distance between is much closer. I would agree with that. It doesn't have to matter what style it is, but I think it's good. Working with other people, I think there's a lot to be learned there, and that's good.

Mark (22:37.176)

Yep. Yep.

Andrew Adams (22:45.217)

Let's see, what else is going on? What else can we chat about?

Andrew Adams (22:51.883)

You mentioned you have a demo team and you're teaching staff demo team. What sort of events do they go to and what made you decide to have a demo team?

Mark (22:54.776)

Yes.

Mark (23:02.766)

demonstration teams are fantastic. They're good for morale at school. They're good when I go places in town. If I bring the demonstration team, people say,

So it keeps me on my toes. These guys keep me on my toes. They say, all right, let's get this going. I'm like, okay, we'll get this going. So where the demo team, wherever I go, they go to different tournaments too. And actually the demo team is probably most of my competitors that go to these tournaments. So it really works hand in hand because as being the practice of all the demonstration team every week by practicing for the demonstration every week.

They get, they know, they feel they're ready when they go to the tournament. They may not do the same forms, but they have the body English. They have the confidence and all this stuff. So when they step out there, they can go to town. And it's a really good thing. I've seen a lot of good, good progress in these junctures, in these junctures. And every couple of years it's a next generation coming up. I'm like, okay, got to start again. Here we go again. But yes, let's rock and roll.

is that's really one good thing for everyone.

Andrew Adams (24:19.437)

Yeah, you know, we talk a lot about in the martial arts, a lot of people use the term, and I'm going to put this in their quotes, use the term pressure testing, right? Can you work under pressure, you know? And can you do your form under pressure, those sorts of things. And we often talk about, you know, testing is one of those environments where you are put under the gun, right? You're not literally under the gun. You're under pressure to perform.

Mark (24:30.478)

Mm-hmm.

Mark (24:36.236)

Yep.

Mark (24:43.596)

Yep.

Andrew Adams (24:49.155)

And obviously competition is another one, right? Going to a competition and having to perform. But I think having a demo team can give that same sort of pressure, but not have the same sort of pressure as a test, right? The anxiety for some people on testing is really high. And I could see a demo team being a happy medium to get a student.

Mark (25:07.298)

Yes.

Andrew Adams (25:19.753)

uncomfortable being uncomfortable, right, which we talked about earlier, it's kind of a stepping stone rather than going straight into something that's really stressful.

Mark (25:22.296)

Right.

Mark (25:29.292)

Yep. Yep. It's a good thing. It really, the people that step up and do it are the people that continue with the martial arts. I see it all the time. They just take, and like you said, it's that happy medium. It gets them ready for the next step. And I love it. I love it. I have nothing. I have everything, every kind of goodness to say about these people on the demonstration team. They're all my instructors. They're all part of the demo team.

They're all going to tournaments. So, perpetual goodness. More magic with the martial arts.

Andrew Adams (26:03.427)

Well, we're trying to bring as much magic to as many students as we can.

Mark (26:11.086)

This is true. This is very true.

Andrew Adams (26:13.589)

Excellent. Well, Tashi, this has been a lot of fun. This has been a lot of fun. I'm enjoying this. I'm also noticing a lot of weapons on the wall behind you. So here's a question. If you're watching, you'll get to see them. Do you have weapons in your school that never get used?

Mark (26:41.738)

Well, I gotta put that this way.

It's kind of like boys and their toys. These are my toys. Although I take it as it's not like playing with a little dump truck. These are serious weapons that can injure me. So I think you've been a little more cognizant. But yeah, they're my toys. So I'm always playing with all my toys. Any weapon that doesn't get used? I don't think so. Nothing just hangs on the wall. They all come down sometime.

Andrew Adams (26:49.123)

Sure.

Andrew Adams (27:11.757)

Yep, yep. And how important is weapon training in your school?

Mark (27:19.63)

The low ranks, well I do a Takeda Turchi Serratus Kali as well. The low ranks will learn this because one thing it does, it teaches them their blade line, which is right along these knuckles. If they can learn the blade line when they start doing some more kung fu forms, that blade line's gonna naturally be there. When I took my trip to China, I had been doing some Kali for a long time, for a couple years anyways, and the Shidi Chang gave us all portoes for a.

I'm starting to... He kind of corrected everybody else with the basics. He looked at me and goes, because basics are basics and they cross all lines. I say I teach martial arts in my school. At the higher ranks it's mostly kung fu. At the lower ranks you can find some silat, some kali and other things. But like I said, it all comes together at the end. basic school, solid foundation builds a good house.

Andrew Adams (27:58.83)

Yep.

Andrew Adams (28:14.437)

Mark (28:17.634)

Ooh, I'm gonna have to remember that. I'm gonna write that one down.

Andrew Adams (28:20.035)

Well, if you forget to write it down, can always go back and listen to this episode.

Mark (28:24.994)

Good idea. I will do that.

Andrew Adams (28:28.119)

Well, Toschi Mark, thank you so much for being here. I really appreciate it. This has been a lot of fun and it's always a pleasure to sit down and chat with all my Whistlekick friends and no surprise, you are among them.

Mark (28:42.36)

Well, thank you very much. Much appreciated.

Andrew Adams (28:45.941)

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