Episode 609 - How To Fight Jeff Speakman as Jeff Sanders in the Perfect Weapon (1991)
In this episode, Jeremy and co-host Andrew Adams give us a new segment called How To Fight and they are joined by Gabe Siu.
How To Fight Jeff Speakman as Jeff Sanders in the Perfect Weapon (1991) - Episode 609
The film The Perfect Weapon (1991) is starred by Jeff Speakman, Mako Iwamatsu, James Hong, and Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa. It features the life of Jeff Sanders (Jeff Speakman) and his journey to train Kempo where he uses, later on, to fight against a Korean Mafia. In this brand new segment, Jeremy, Andrew and Gabe discuss how are they going to fight Jeff Sanders by analyzing his stance, style, and moves. Listen and join this fun conversation!
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Jeremy Lesniak:
Hey! What's going on, everybody? Welcome to a...special, hopefully recurring installment of Martial Arts Radio. Today, I'm joined by Andrew and Gabe, and we're gonna talk about how we would fight Jeff Speakman's character, Jeff Sanders in the movie, The Perfect Weapon. Stick around, should be fun and we do our jobs right, you'll have all kinds of things to say about what we're gonna do. Now, of course, I'm joined by my recurring often co-host, Andrew Adams. Andrew, welcome.
Andrew Adams:
Well, thanks. Thanks. Thanks.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Thanks for being here. A face that some of you might not know...I'm sure a lot of you know the voice, Gabe Siu.
Gabe Siu:
Yes, thank you. It's good to be here.
Jeremy Lesniak:
It's good to have you here. Is this the second time you've been on video ever for the show?
Gabe Siu:
Yes, second time I've been on video.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Yeah. It's kind of a different experience, isn't it?
Gabe Siu:
It is, and yeah...
Jeremy Lesniak:
Don't pick your nose.
Gabe Siu:
Right.
Jeremy Lesniak:
I mean, you can if you want. It's just kinda gross. Well, the first thing I'm gonna say to the audience is if you are watching or listening to this, it means that we decided that it came out good enough that we're sharing it with you. This is a concept that started that I had an idea. I bounced it off Andrew. Andrew liked it. We bounced it off Gabe. Gabe liked it and so this is what we're doing. Now, of course, if we're gonna talk about a movie, we're gonna talk about The Perfect Weapon. 1991, right, kind of a classic. The first representation of Kenpo in film, maybe?
Andrew Adams:
I would say the first...I don't want to say blockbuster movie, that's not what I mean but the first like real...
Jeremy Lesniak:
This is Kenpo.
Andrew Adams:
...movie. Yeah exactly.
Jeremy Lesniak:
It actually is Kenpo.
Andrew Adams:
Yes.
Gabe Siu:
Right.
Jeremy Lesniak:
If you know anything about Kenpo, like it's real Kenpo and Jeff Speakman if a real Kenpo guy.
Andrew Adams:
Yup.
Jeremy Lesniak:
And actually has some ties to some other folks who have been on the show who are Kenpo practitioners.
Andrew Adams:
Yup.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Gabe, when was the first time you saw the film?
Gabe Siu:
About four days ago.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Okay, alright. So, I'm not the only one. I hadn't seen it.
Andrew Adams:
Wow.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Andrew, you seen it a bunch.
Andrew Adams:
Oh yeah, I saw it a lot in high school. It came out '91. I'll date myself here. I graduated in '93, but I definitely saw it in high school.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Okay, and did you like it?
Andrew Adams:
Yeah, it may [00:02:39:17] a martial arts movie. I had to like it. But yes. I mean, if I like Best of the Best, you know I was gonna like this movie too.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Well, if you like Best of the Best, any martial arts movie...
Andrew Adams:
I'm gonna like.
Jeremy Lesniak:
...will be enjoyable. You know, I think we can probably imagine what Andrew does with his time. He's probably watching various Yellow belt testing videos that kid's moms put on YouTube to share with the family because that's better. It has more of a plot. Gabe, what did you think of it? Did you enjoy it?
Gabe Siu:
I did. Now, I'm not a lifetime martial artist like you gentleman. I didn't start when I was young, so my repertoire of martial arts movies is rather small, but I did enjoy it. I did enjoy it very much, and like you said, Jeremy, it's a very good representation of real Kenpo.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Yeah.
Gabe Siu:
So, it's really fun to watch that. Even tiny little things like when they're doing the whole training montage from White belt up to Brown belt. If you noticed, his belt was never centered which is a Kenpo thing.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Oh, I missed that part. But yeah.
Andrew Adams:
I made a note of that. I've never studied Kenpo. Never studied Kenpo at all and because I didn't know that, I made a note like, "why is the Master have his belt clearly tied in the center, but everyone else's belt is tied off center?" I didn't understand that.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Not all schools do that, but...
Gabe Siu:
Yeah, and...
Jeremy Lesniak:
...some do. Yeah.
Gabe Siu:
And with... if I can throw a plug in here 'cause the book just came out the day before this recording. Jenni's book, the one that Jenni wrote, The Master Hopkick: The Origin Story...
Jeremy Lesniak:
Yup.
Gabe Siu:
She started a lot of Kajukenbo and Kenpo for that book and that's one of the things that she pointed out and many other things too. She goes, oh yeah. I remember learning about that and about that. So, yeah.
Jeremy Lesniak:
I'm not gonna be upset with you plugging a whistlekick book on a whistlekick show. You are more than free to do that. It's over in Amazon and in fact, if I remember it correctly, yeah both paperback and Kindle version are there. Yeah, both Jennies work really hard on it. Your Jenni, your wife Jenni did a tremendous amount of research. She was emailing me...I'll just the book up with this a little bit. She would email me and say, "Are you okay with this very mild historical detour, or would you like me to do this other thing that is completely historically accurate?". And I'm like, "Holy cow, like you are at a detail level that I wouldn't have even thought about doing.
Gabe Siu:
Yeah.
Jeremy Lesniak:
So, yeah. It's a really cool book and we'll probably do an episode on it at some point. I'll bring her on and we'll do all that.
Gabe Siu:
Yeah.
Jeremy Lesniak:
So, we've got this film. Jeff Speakman who I don't know that he did other films after.
Andrew Adams:
Not to my knowledge. I don't remember seeing any. I think he was... I got the impression that the expectation was that the movie was gonna do really well and that he would become another action star, but I don't know that the movie did well enough for that.
Jeremy Lesniak:
But I think that the takeaway from that then is he is incredibly well-known 20 years later. 30 years later.
Andrew Adams:
30, yup.
Jeremy Lesniak:
How am I that old? 30 years later based on this single film.
Andrew Adams:
Yup.
Jeremy Lesniak:
I never heard anyone say bad about Jeff Speakman, about his skill, about this film, or anything. So, I think it's fitting that we're doing this as our test episode because what we're trying to do with this... you know, what we'll jump into, what we'd actually do here in this moment. To the audience, one of the things that was really important to us was that we do this in a way that we're not throwing people under the bus. That we're not saying this person was a terrible actor, or that they're not a legitimate martial artist. You know, we're not saying here's how we'd fight Jeff Speakman. We're saying, here's how we would fight Jeff Speakman's character, so it is based 100% on what we see on screen. Nothing else. If you know that Jeff Speakman can also do X, Y, Z, but it doesn't show up in this film, it is irrelevant to the conversation 'cause we're talking about how we would fight the character, not the actor.
Andrew Adams:
Yup. Before we move on, Jeremy, you asked about my thoughts about the movie and I liked it. You asked when Gabe has seen it, 4 days ago. You had never seen it until yesterday.
Jeremy Lesniak:
I watched it last night.
Andrew Adams:
Yup, and what were your thoughts on the movie?
Jeremy Lesniak:
I enjoyed it. I really enjoyed the opening montage when he's kinda doing some Kenpo shadowboxing because I have done just enough Kenpo to understand the authenticity of the Kenpo that was being demonstrated. Anytime martial arts is represented accurately in film, I get really excited 'cause it doesn't happen very often. And throughout the film, I found for the most part that's what was going on. There was a lot of really good martial arts in this.
Andrew Adams:
Yeah.
Jeremy Lesniak:
I didn't do the typical thing I do when I watch a martial arts film. I didn't really nerd out and, you know, sit there with IMDB and cross reference, okay this person did this and what else were they. That's usually what I do, but I'll probably go back and do that at some point.
Andrew Adams:
Did you recognize Jeff Sanders' brother?
Jeremy Lesniak:
No, I just wanted to punch him in the face.
Andrew Adams:
Why? Oh just because of...okay.
Jeremy Lesniak:
'Cause he's just being a dork.
Andrew Adams:
I think you wanted to punch him in the face when he was in Best of the Best as well.
Jeremy Lesniak:
I'm sure I did then.
Andrew Adams:
He was Virgil Keller in Best of the Best.
Jeremy Lesniak:
I don't remember that name.
Andrew Adams:
He was the hippie guy.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Oh, that guy.
Andrew Adams:
Same actor.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Okay, moving on. We have to move on before we get lost.
Andrew Adams:
Okay.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Alright. If you were to sum up Jeff Sanders in a couple sentences and his fighting style, how would you describe that, Gabe?
Gabe Siu:
I think I would say he was reactionary. He never struck first, at least that I noticed not consistently anyways. He was focused on upper body techniques. The only time I ever saw him kick to the leg was in the final boss scene with the big guy. I forgot his name.
Jeremy Lesniak:
With Korean [00:09:27:03].
Gabe Siu:
Yeah
Andrew Adams:
Professor Tanaka.
Gabe Siu:
There you go.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Korean [00:09:33:16].
Gabe Siu:
But yeah, so he focused a lot on upper body stuff.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Yeah.
Gabe Siu:
A lot of striking and a lot of elbows which is also very consistent with Kenpo. I'll give a hint to a foreshadowing of my, of how I would fight him. He didn't do very well on the ground. Many times he got knocked down. He just kinda got kicked around until he got back up.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Sure. Andrew, if you had to summarize his fighting style, how would you describe it?
Andrew Adams:
The first thing I noticed is that he is incredibly quick to anger. He gets angry very quickly and it was a theme throughout. The scene when he was younger, he got angry about some stuff and he reacted. When he was older and when Kim, his friend, had passed away or was murdered, he took out his anger on people who tried to mug him. He could've easily gone away from that situation without doing what he did, but he was incredibly angry at the situation that he was in and lashed out and that was the first thing I know he had a very hot head, very quick temper. I would agree with Gabe, not a lot of low kick stuff. Not a lot of kicks in general though there were some. Only one wrist lock, any type of non-strike did he do in the entire movie. His use of weapons that he found, improvised or not, was also very good. So, someone that definitely has a bit of weapon skill.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Yeah, I noticed that as well. I think that the things I noticed initially were he's incredibly fluid, very fast. You know, he's not gonna throw one technique or three techniques. He's gonna throw 36 techniques consecutively and he's not reliant on any one of them to cause the damage that he's looking for. He's looking for a variety of things to kind of overwhelm you, and I would imagine that that choreography was overwhelming to put together for that reason. I think that's what made him effective. I also noticed how quick he was to anger. I think that that is the first kind of gap or opening that I would point out is that if I were going to fight him, I was going to try to use that to my advantage because he didn't always do better because he got angry. When he got angry, he got cocky and he became very blinded. I think the very best example of that was the number of times he should've been aware that there were people around him and behind him...
Andrew Adams:
Yup.
Jeremy Lesniak:
...and he got knocked to the ground...
Andrew Adams:
In the gym.
Jeremy Lesniak:
...smashed, whatever.
Andrew Adams:
Yup.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Yeah, but it wasn't just in the gym. There was elsewhere too. Because he had total vision, I would expect because he was angry.
Andrew Adams:
Yup.
Gabe Siu:
Yup, as well as in the Crock Pit, I think was the name of the bar where just like in the gym, yeah, it's one of the noted I took that he was unaware of secondary fighter, secondary opponents.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Yeah.
Andrew Adams:
Yup, came out and got him with the bottle.
Gabe Siu:
Yup.
Jeremy Lesniak:
And that’s a theme so, you know, we're building kind of a personality profile here. So, if you were to fight him, one of the things that I would want to do is to get him angry because I don't think he's at his best when he's angry.
Andrew Adams:
Yeah.
Jeremy Lesniak:
And there's some people who do. Some people are just so reserved that they hold back and you get them angry, and now you're dealing with a 100% of their capacity instead of 80.
Andrew Adams:
Yeah, and then they're more focused.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Yeah. The other thing that I noticed was and I think this is very consistent with what Kenpo is, but how circular he was. Everything was circle.
Gabe Siu:
Yes.
Jeremy Lesniak:
His techniques were circular. They were circular in every plane. He was circular. He loved doing that spinning back fist and so I think that's the second thing that I would look to exploit. It's the fact that circles take longer than straight lines.
Andrew Adams:
Yup.
Gabe Siu:
Yes.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Anything to add?
Andrew Adams:
No, you're absolutely right. Circles take longer that straight lines, but they can be blinding when you're they're not seeing it coming.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Absolutely.
Andrew Adams:
And that's something that I would be weary of. Not weary, cognizant of. Oh, big word.
Jeremy Lesniak:
It's a big word. How about range? How close would you want to be to him?
Andrew Adams:
I would say, for me he's short range was incredible like I would not want to be within a fist's striking distance. I would either stay on the outside or I would get right in on a clench. If we're getting into specific stuff like Gabe mentioned, he had almost no ground game that I saw, so I would be keeping my distance and striking from afar as much as I could and then I would be going in for a double like takedown of some sort to get him on the ground. I would absolutely, positively not use weapons and if I had to, it would be a 6-foot bow because I want to stay away from him.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Yup. Gabe?
Gabe Siu:
Absolutely, I'm right in agreement there with you, Andrew. I would stay out of range, especially me being a shorter guy myself. I'm only 5'7". I have to rely on my speed and my size. Flipping it a little bit in my taking it into a competitive fight type scenario where I gotta stay out of range. So, that's absolutely what I would do. How tall is Jeff Speakman? Who knows?
Andrew Adams:
I don't know. I'll look that up while Jeremy talks.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Yeah, that wasn't something that I pulled out, but it's a great point. It's something that we should be aware of. I had kind of the same opinion that you guys had. It's interesting that we're agreeing on a lot of this. I suspect that we're gonna find some places that we differ here. My general approach would be stay outside of range, attempt to close quickly with straight line powerful kicks, you know, driving inside kicks. But I'm not looking to go into the head. I'm not even looking to go into the body. I'm looking to go into the leg and depending on rule set because that's something that we haven't talked about and I don't know that we need to get bogged down on that. Let's just...we're talking about a fight, so it's either some kind of full contact thing that doesn't have a lot of rules, or it's a street fight.
Andrew Adams:
Yup.
Gabe Siu:
Yeah.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Let's kind of leave it generally at that. I might be looking to go to the knee or just above the knee, you know, top of the thigh with a side kick and trying to take his leg out from him under him there. His stances were a little wider than I thought they needed to be at times, which tells me that he probably wouldn't be reacting to that super quickly. Now, he did have some points where he had amazing short stances and great lateral motion. It's not something we tend to see in most martial artists. He's moving side to side versus front and back. Most of us just move front and back. I know that if I didn't connect on that kick and he didn't move to the side, he'd have my back and he would probably punch me 462 times.
Andrew Adams:
Yeah. By the way, Jeff Speakman is 6 feet tall.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Okay,
Gabe Siu:
Okay.
Jeremy Lesniak:
So, he's got some reach on all of us.
Andrew Adams:
Yup.
Gabe Siu:
Yup, like you two, I would stay out range and getting close when I saw the opportunity. Close the distance. Close that gap super quick. In preparation for this, I was thinking about what I would do, you know, like I said his ground game wasn't very good and I would try to go beyond just a clinch or even just me. Personally, Andrew, I wouldn't go for a double takedown, but I would go, keep my head at his chest height to avoid getting punched or elbowed. Keep my face against his chest, kind of a Jiu-Jitsu type move and then go for a Judo type throw, or a hip throw, or something like that. Put him on his back as quickly as I could and then go from side control or from the ground from there.
Andrew Adams:
Yeah, I could see that working as well. I will also say that the option that I gave is not my number one option.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Okay, what was yours?
Andrew Adams:
My number one option would be to gain 300 pounds and fight like the big boss at the end because if you remember, he did not beat Tanaka with his martial arts ability.
Gabe Siu:
Right.
Andrew Adams:
He was fighting the big guy at the end who had a lot of weight on him. He's shorter actually. Tanaka is only 5'11" and by the way, Tanaka is his real name. I mean, that was his character name in the movie, but that's his real name as well.
Jeremy Lesniak:
That says a lot.
Andrew Adams:
Yeah, he was a wrestler but he was not doing well against that character. The only reason he won was he threw something...
Jeremy Lesniak:
His belt.
Andrew Adams:
...his belt, which had a knife on it and it...
Jeremy Lesniak:
Scorpion belt.
Andrew Adams:
Yeah, and it broke something and scheme got along and it lit it on fire. It wasn't martial arts.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Yeah.
Andrew Adams:
He did not beat that big boss guy with martial arts.
Jeremy Lesniak:
No, he just blew him up.
Andrew Adams:
So, my first option would be to be just like that guy.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Okay. I think we can extrapolate something from there 'cause there's obviously humor to what you're saying. But the gist is that he was big. He was strong. He was really rugged. He wasn't fast.
Andrew Adams:
No, not at all.
Gabe Siu:
Right.
Jeremy Lesniak:
And if you think about what Kenpo is, it's a lot of techniques, really fast, and no...I'm not going to suggest that they are not powerful, but if you think about power as kind of a factor of both strength and speed, the power in his techniques were coming from his speed not from his strength, not from using a lot of musculature.
Andrew Adams:
Yeah.
Jeremy Lesniak:
So that was definitely a weakness that could be exploited if you are resilient enough. And I'm not, but if one was resilient enough to absorb those blows without doing a lot of damage at close range, you know, grab him and bear hug him. Wasn't that something that happened and you grabbed him and you kind of like squeeze him a bunch?
Andrew Adams:
Yup, and Tanaka then just headbutted him...
Jeremy Lesniak:
Right.
Gabe Siu:
Yeah.
Andrew Adams:
...and knocked him off.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Right. I think we're more or less in agreement in the range part. Stay outside the range and cover the distance as quickly as you can and when an opening presents. But I think where we're differing is how we handle that subsequent movement. I would be looking to pick him apart. I would be in kick to the leg, get back out as quickly as I could 'cause I don't like being close. My ground game is kinda "meh". You know, probably not any better than Jeff Speakman's character. You know, I don't like being down there. I'm a small guy. People grab me. I wanna go away. I wanna get out of there, and I'd be looking can I pick apart his leg if he started to show some weakness in that leg, I might be going in with some leg kicks. You know, more conventional tie kind of round kick-style things and hoping that I can chop that leg out enough that that becomes my advantage. You know, stay to that weak side, close in, get back out, and just pick him apart because if I'm in close, he's got me.
Andrew Adams:
Yeah.
Jeremy Lesniak:
That's my only chance.
Andrew Adams:
And no one in the movie did that. Everyone that fought him aimed for his head or aimed for his upper body so, we don't know how he would react in this case.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Right, and it would probably take a while and it's not exciting choreography.
Andrew Adams:
Yeah, exactly.
Gabe Siu:
Yeah.
Jeremy Lesniak:
How do you guys think he would react to being on the ground in the ways that you're talking about?
Andrew Adams:
You know, I don't know that I can answer because it never happened in the movie. He never really got on the ground. My impression is that he is doing a ground...because like I said, he only used to wrist lock once in the entire thing. He threw somebody with a [00:22:14:25] I believe. A wrist throw and it only happened once in the entire movie. So from a visual observation, observations are always visual...anyway, it appears he doesn't have much Jiu-jitsu game at all. That's why I would take him down in that way and hope that I'm correct. That he doesn't have any sort of Jiu-jitsu.
Gabe Siu:
You know, right before that, he got knocked down...'cause he was fighting the three guys in the Taekwondo gym...
Jeremy Lesniak:
Yeah.
Gabe Siu:
...and he kicked the one guy around a bit. He went flying. The other two jumped in and just kind of laid waste to him. When he was on the ground, they kicked him back and forth a few times and he kind of just had his arms here and just taken those body kicks and wasn't doing anything. Then, they stood him up. You know, they punched him in the face a few times then he got back into it.
Andrew Adams:
Yeah.
Gabe Siu:
And somehow bought him off.
Jeremy Lesniak:
And somehow find his second wind.
Andrew Adams:
'Cause it's a movie.
Gabe Siu:
Yeah, right.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Right.
Gabe Siu:
But for me, being a smaller guy...I don't know if this is unusual or not, but I'm really comfortable on the ground and maybe it's because I am short and I don't have the range. So, let's go to the ground. I'll hold on because I'm short. I've got the leverage. I have a decent amount of upper body strength. I'll just hold on where you out. And also, I don't mind having my back to the ground. I don't have any formal Jiu-jitsu training, but I've gone on against a couple of guys who have wrestling background and they want to put me on my back? Great. I'll choke you out from the front. You know, from the bottom. So, I would go to the ground and just hold them down. As long as Jeff Sanders couldn’t' get a full swing or room for a good technique on, [00:24:20:20].
Jeremy Lesniak:
He's going to be trying to post up. You're gonna be pulling him back down.
Gabe Siu:
Yeah, exactly.
Andrew Adams:
That's what I envision.
Jeremy Lesniak:
So, it sounds like we agree on probably half the strategy - stay outside, close the gap quickly, do some damage, and then you two are saying let's bring him to the ground and I'm saying, I'm gonna get back out because we're playing to our strengths.
Andrew Adams:
Or gain 300 pounds.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Or gain 300 pounds.
Gabe Siu:
Yeah.
Jeremy Lesniak:
That's... I think it might sit differently on me versus Tanaka...
Andrew Adams:
It's fair.
Jeremy Lesniak:
...given the height differential.
Andrew Adams:
Fair.
Gabe Siu:
Yeah, or one option we haven't discussed yet is to pull the whole Indiana Jones move and just shoot him from 30 feet away.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Always an option but not a great one. I don't know if they ever call it a fight.
Gabe Siu:
Yeah, no it's not.
Andrew Adams:
No, it's not really martial arts either.
Jeremy Lesniak:
No, no it's not.
Andrew Adams:
This was good.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Is there anything else on your notes that we want to bring up? I thought he went to that spinning backfist a surprising amount. I thought that was really interesting, but he did it so quickly that I don't think it was a weakness for him?
Andrew Adams:
Yeah.
Jeremy Lesniak:
He's always gonna underestimate you.
Andrew Adams:
Yup. In terms of a fight, I didn't have anything else. Just a couple of notes that I did find interesting.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Sure.
Andrew Adams:
Another martial arts movie that didn't have a love story. Although, they took a handful of scenes of from the movie and the version they played on TV did involve a love story between who you would expect it to be, Jeff Speakman's character and the girl, Jenny I think her name was.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Mariska Hargitay.
Andrew Adams:
Yeah.
Gabe Siu:
Yup.
Andrew Adams:
And the only other thing I though was weird was when he did...maybe this is true of Kenpo dojos. Gabe, you might know but when he joined the school, they had that young girl show him around. She was only a Yellow belt like why did they have a Yellow belt show a White belt all around like how to do things? I just thought that was weird.
Gabe Siu:
Yeah, I think maybe that played into the scenes they cut of the love story.
Andrew Adams:
Yeah, perhaps.
Gabe Siu:
And that's totally school by school. We don't have Yellow belts teach our White belts anything but how to be a good example of how to bow and how to have respect in the dojo.
Jeremy Lesniak:
I like the part where she...you know, they're sent to the back of the line and he was somehow not ready enough then he fell over. That was a great part.
Gabe Siu:
Yeah... despite all the [00:26:50:15].
Jeremy Lesniak:
So, again. Underestimating, not being aware of what's going on, and falling to the ground.
Gabe Siu:
Yeah. Despite all the noise they were making with the technique, he's just daydreaming then boom! Gets smacked. One another comment if I can add one...
Jeremy Lesniak:
Yeah.
Gabe Siu:
If I were to fight him, don't strike first. He is really good like Kenpo is at countering a strike or a technique. So, I would try to bait him into coming in first and then...
Jeremy Lesniak:
Making him angry.
Gabe Siu:
Yeah, exactly.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Alright. I think we're all roughly on the same page. Awesome. Well, gentlemen, thank you. This was a lot of fun. Listeners, viewers, hope you enjoyed this. Again, if you're watching or listening to this, it means that we thought it came out well and we put it out there. So, if you have a movie character you'd like us to unpack, let us know. Let me know. Email me, jeremy@whistlekick.com. Of course, thanks for watching and we'll see you next time.
Andrew Adams:
One more thing I'll add before we say goodbye that if Jeff Speakman would like to come on and do an episode with us as a rebuttal, I would absolutely encourage that.
Jeremy Lesniak:
That's a wonderful in the moment idea, Andrew. If the actor that we ever talk about would like to come on and offer a rebuttal, we will gladly offer them that space.
Andrew Adams:
That's it.
Gabe Siu:
That would be really cool.
Jeremy Lesniak:
That would be super cool. Alright, until next time, train hard, smile, and have a great day.