Episode 692 - Sifu Doug Setter
Sifu Doug Setter is a martial arts practitioner, retired Sgt., and instructor at Second Wind Body Science.
I think that’s where traditional Martial Arts defeats the ego and you don’t have to be proving yourself all the time. That’s what I admire in the traditional Martial Arts.
Sifu Doug Setter - Episode 692
Growing up as a sick, underweight kid, Sifu Doug Setter struggled with getting stronger and dealing with school bullies. Through little-known methods, Sifu Doug Setter was able to gain 40 pounds of muscle, become a paratrooper, welterweight kickboxing titleholder, author, remove his allergies, run full marathons, climb Mount Rainier and go from a high school C average student to earning a Bachelor of Human Ecology. Presently, Sifu Setter teaches how to condition your body no matter what age at Second Wind Body Science.
In this episode, Sifu Doug Setter tells the story of his journey to the Martial Arts as well as its benefits to our bodies. Listen and join the conversation!
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Show Transcript
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Jeremy Lesniak:
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Doug setter, this was a little bit more conversational than most episodes, and I really enjoyed it. We had some great back and forth. Whereas most episodes I'm talking about, 3-5% of the time, I might have been talking eight or 10% of the time on this one. So it wasn't 50/50. It's not about me. But I felt like there were some points in here where we chatted and just and it rolled. It was a little more conversational. And I hope you enjoy it. I got the sense that seafood did. We talked about some pretty cool stuff. His life. His martial arts story is a little different. But I think you'll think so. Here we go. Welcome to whistlekick Martial Arts Radio.
Doug Setter:
Hey, Jeremy. Thanks for having me. This is a really humbling experience looking at some of your other guests. Wow. I don't know what I can contribute. But I'm looking forward to this.
Jeremy Lesniak:
What do you think or feel about the interview?
Doug Setter:
Oh, mate. One thing I love about martial arts is I've made some amazing people. Just amazing. I met her in Hong Kong. She can play the part of Mr. Han and Enter the Dragon.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Oh, cool.
Doug Setter:
And yeah, he's like 69 years old and is back in ‘82 just a sharp looking guy really fat. And you know, there's another guy, Carter Wong. I don't know if you watch Chinese martial arts, but he was the dude back in the day. He was like a real fighter. I saw an article one time where he wrote [00:04:00-00:04:02]. So, you just stay over there. I'll take your picture. Thanks, Mr. Wong. Jeremy Lesniak:
When you met the guy who played Han, was he carrying around like prosthetic hand attachments?
Doug Setter:
And I I told people that Mr. Han like any guy was like in 300 movies. And they don't pay a whole lot in Hong Kong. These dudes work hard and this son of a guy and he like she knew last time I studied tall long praying mantis and this dude, you have a ton of read articles on we just do a ton of martial arts. It's just fascinating. To have that kind of, you know, billion commitment to train and yet pure noise movies. So yeah, when he was in that movie. All those people were hired by Bruce Lee as the mascot, all those even the guy at the beginning. They were high at the time.
Jeremy Lesniak:
It's almost like you know, once in a while you'll get a TV series where almost everybody launches off to do something else and Enter the Dragon kind of scenes like that everybody, you know, you can look back at almost everybody that was in that film and say, you know, here are the other 5,10,300 movies that this person was in. It's kind of crazy that they were all together in that one.
Doug Setter:
I can imagine putting that together, just imagine that. I was just amazed at the logistics of seeing everywhere into that, like clean Iran. That was something else. That's phenomenal.
Jeremy Lesniak:
I have a theory about Bruce Lee movies. And, you know, early on when we did the show, I was a new interviewer. And I would follow the script, you know, we sent you over the conversation starters. And I was new enough that I couldn't be organic. And so I would kind of go down the list. And if you go back and listen to old episodes, you know, I don't think they're as good. Some people like them. Some people say I did fine. I think they're being nice. But one of the questions was, you know, do you have a favorite martial art? And as you might expect, quite a few people would name a Bruce Lee. Early, but what I found was that almost everyone's favorite Bruce Lee film was the first one that they saw. Fist of Fury, I think, was that your first one?
Doug Setter:
I think that was fists of fury or something else. But dazzle was good. It was cool.
Jeremy Lesniak:
So the question is, if that was your first Bruce Lee film, this is the test of the theory. Is it your favorite Bruce Lee film?
Doug Setter:
No, I still like the dragon because it just encompasses so much.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Sure. Okay, so you're wondering, you're maybe four or five who break the theory it was when it started, you know, I expected it would enter the dragon. And then people would say, you know, Game of Death. That's my favorite Bruce Lee. Oh, right. Right. Okay. And so who knows how, how well that holds. How'd you get started? Oh, geez. Always a question. But yeah, at some point.
Doug Setter:
It was. I was sick. As a kid, I had pneumonia three times. I was six, because everyone smoked, and rallied as always. And then came the teenage years. I didn't quite get to grow spurts. So I fight my way up the chain, the food chain. And I remember just constant fights. And I grew up in a place called [00:07:35-00:07:37]. And but it was consensual, you know, like I found but later on high school is very mean. And I, you know, I remember getting punched and shoved and choked. And so yeah, I went, I went to this. My mother sent me to a place called Tracy's karate and had these, basically, they're really hokey set up. I'm on once you paid back in those days, there was a lot and I went in, still got my butt kicked, went home to bleed those black eyes and, and she dumped on me for wasting their money. And so one guy, Trevor Ward, and others get the Skype call dude. And I remember every now and then he would just throw this kick out of nowhere. And he said, he should go to karate. So I went, started going to karate class. And it was still a struggle, because I was physically weaker. I had a couple of successes, but still got beat. I got tired of it. So I joined the Army Reserves. And I got more into that. No nonsense, you know, fitness, maybe a little more than warrior attitude. I remember going back to high school after summer training and I got lots of push ups from making mistakes and that so I sort of developed a little more aggression. And I remember this guy just making fun of me one time. And Rick, who's a realtor, but he always gave me never picked up. He always kind of helped me. He looked at me like this guy and I gave him a [00:09:05-00:09:07]. You see, the fight just came right. And he could have taken me but I just had that. But the time and I'll never forget that.
But later on I joined the army. I was 120 pounds and had weight restrictions. So there I was, having to make four pounds. And so I remember putting the stuff in my pockets and drinking as much water as I can do that. And I took some Morse code operator time and I took some judo and I knocked around and then later on I got I started learning more about nutrition. And I started studying more and I got stronger and I drank less beer. Worked out more so I did the meditation. I did some practice on my karate in the morning, and I thought I could focus better. And eventually I went from a desk job to a field soldier, and then became a paratrooper. And that back then it was kind of like nowadays, you got special forces and that was cool. It wasn't a big deal. It was awesome. We went to jump school and you go to PT in the morning. And then I made sure to eat a lot because if you run to the training center, five push champs that you're going to do are destroying your harness everywhere you go to yell airborne.
If you make a mistake, they have this thing called dying crap. Your fingertips, your toes, and you hold it down while they give you words of encouragement. Stuff like my grandmother was more labor your body's dead for 10 years. And the other thing if you made a mistake, or did dry lap swim, so you're in a push up position, dragging your body around and then had to go for lunch out the door. Five more chin ups. Run to lunch, you can barely keep anything down. Keep some, maybe run back more, check more at the end of the day. And this dude comes on his shoulders over here. He runs us even more. I get back, scarf down some kind of separate, come in, wash my clothes and I pass up by six o'clock every night. But that life gave me the confidence I got out of there. You make your first jump. You jump out the door and whenever you hit the ground you're like yeah, and I got back and then I was thinking I could do a join up for this relay run. I just showed up and you know, I just yeah, okay, this is who you are? But where's your team? Don't have this. Okay, try these guys.
Okay, but it was so cool after that. You just get these and then out of the army, I don't be a 20 year old. I thought it was so good. And I got the worst scuffled and so I got into kickboxing and train train train and that was really cool. And here's a story like this: I am like five years later 40 pounds heavier. Last minute in the ring my friend, throw me in there and I get in of course who's in the stands but where the high school boys scream and kill a skinny whale so started about 600 people watching this like okay to do this and only the only voice you heard in that weird. Yeah, in that weird and get in there and disguise oh my gosh, I've been training in this way and opposite to the one so we're into it and I just something came to me and I remember just roundhouse kicks the ribs and he looks and he just collapses. Okay, did that right? And just stay out when you get something that, okay, I thought if I don't put you down I'm gonna… You know that so I just had a once in the ribs he bends ahead and down he goes and I won and it was just such a high me so bad later on for butter but I just have such a high to be and later on I got a couple other math matches.
And later on a friend of mine referred me to this martial artist who is a kung fu guy. He's a big Ukrainian dude with guided forearms like baseball bats and he and anyone else find scoring social I'd love to have you three days so I learned the traditional is your ability again as they teach you and he taught me a lot and I remember getting a headache some kickboxing coming down millionaire there and and so a member take it five months off. And all I did was below stances, the breathing and the forums. And I noticed my posture got better because a lot of kicks were like this all the time. And my posture got straighter. I better balance and then when that I get this call and encounter again last minute replacement for kickboxing training, but go okay, sure. No corner man, nothing unfortunately met [00:14:44-00:14:46], a real cool guy. He knew someone who stuck with what we're dealing with here. I'm implementing it as well, here's a sales. He's a salesman. He said well, I'll quote for you. So go in there. These guys are from a town called Canada. But these guys are fit. It's just all these guys from other clubs have come in and they're all lean. And the countless backs up to here, and they were just chopping these guys up like NASA. And so I get in there and this guy is my opponent.
He doesn't box, he just comes out, you're slammed. He's a slugger, like, oh my god, I remember clenching it and feeling my legs giveaway. And they hold on a break. And I had to wait for three rounds. I timed to move my head and he came into your turn, just out of his reach and side kick up. But he had very little technique; he just rushed in for a fit. And I found out later on, what they would do is they would train their fighters to go in as they backed off and beat their shins with a stick. And so I'm dealing with this human robot. I managed to just time alone, I figured it. I remember. Actually one of the guys who trained, well trained to save Dennis Crawford who was a Canadian champion. And he said, step back uppercut and hockey's always step slightly aside. So I remember that anyway, I survived and I won. But that was a lesson. But what I thought was so cool is I was just doing kung fu just doing the posture and the stances. I didn't even hit a bag that had given me enough. It worked. Go figure.
So I studied praying mantis and Eagle Claw and those are pretty cool styles and I went to train praying mantis with [00:16:43-00:16:45[ and that's another funny story about going to gym. I look around and I'm the only white guy they're always Asian dudes, harsh big next on their trail chain. Okay, so go stretching the corner and this little guy comes up and he's got this piece of other fuses piece of Kleenex up his nose and blood hanging onto us and I go okay man I'm looking for out and I do something come back all y'all do it gives me like I'm looking around as always. Muscle you guys train and I go well, where's our check? Well, that was all chain. The lean guy little guy knows and he was a 1979 lightweight champ, full contact champ. And I trained with our alphas awesome guy he's boom and give you a shocking what was wrong with you? While you're not wearing what we've been covering, thank you. We just do this but one day says I want to come to Hong Kong with them then? Okay, well, and there's a tournament in Hong Kong and these fighters from all over the world. And this was your bag gloves, four ounce gloves. You know you work with bags, not the eight ounce leaves and kickboxing and wear a headgear, chest protector, groin protector, and the gloves and and it was weird too because I found out the hard way that the the grout is not like the Canvas you can scoot around your paper use your footwork but then the spongy kind of material so you had to pick your feet up and I got to this dude, this dude was not messing around. I could keep away my straight left. And I try and he comes over his head right?
And I remember looking at him and I couldn't tell them straight from him or the referee. And so I just moved around. I saw these two green masses so the wrong was so violent came into focus, like come back and house a little better. He likes to kill your mother. Go there. And I finally made it to the third round. I kind of got that calmness. I don't know if you think it's gonna hurt anyway. You have to commit yourself. I always tell my lady kick boxes you got to commit girls to figure that commitment or dungeon commit and I held my own against this guy that he won. He went on to become the champ but what a difference they had women fighters they're these afterwards. They took me. I got a picture taken with Mr. Han from Enter the Dragon, really cool. I saw Carter walk. I saw a member there and walked around the block. Dude, I saw this gnarly looking old dude. Around the movies. This guy just looked at me like rockhard and he had these nails like up to hear. He's just sitting there. Smoking underneath a no smoking sign. And you just drag a hook just like if you smile and crack his face. And he's doing his job. They see him walk around big things, you know around this dude. And he's in the traditional Chinese robes and I just know how behind all the morning can I take a picture of you and he looks at me shakes his head yeah, takes a drag. And I started this guy and later on I found out he was like, for real dude like he apparently killed people with a frickin stick during. Like during the Second World War I guess I showed him my friend was killed last Japanese phone calling oh, okay, well, he looked for a real man.
Oh, yeah, that was fun. That was just, I got treated like gold when I was there. Just awesome. I got to see kung fu talk, Kung Fu talk, who apparently went up against any of the jets for your quiz. And it's a tiny little gym. And that was in Hong Kong and it's tiny. And there I am talking to a student who's ranked world number seven. Just couldn't speak English. Just kind of nod like we're talking. Kind of gesturing to the stock but just a real nice guy. And what else do we do? Oh, my friend broke his hand on a guy's head. He's this tall. lanky guy. 140 pounds 60 knees. And he's hitting the sky and the Australian wing chunk. I go stick him stupid. He goes, it looks to us because this left to come out of whack. A guy collapses. And then he goes on to another match. And he hits this guy and he stops you with his left hand like what's wrong with you? And the bone was sticking out of his hand. So it was that we finished the match and blessing as we go to this one of the gals there's an older gal, she ran her shop and they went on a set. They set his for the hospital set his barn for him and and then I went to this lady and she was I find out later on she was for real she she was she used to compete forms and she put on the gloves and put out but real nice general herb shop there and they gave me certain points and herbs and fix me up and and another guy that [00:22:25-00:22:27] and he was a great white crane that I found out later. I just thought it was cool. Cool, dude, we're standing in line to get to make a wait when someone bumps us. That's [00:22:41-00:22:43]. And I got a picture of him when I got home like he was this guy who was the real human again and can kill several people.
Jeremy Lesniak:
So you're obviously talking about some of these people with some reverence not to say to others you're not. But I don't know too many people who would just offhandedly say yeah, I'll step in as a substitute for a kickboxing fight. And you know, you're talking about your first jump out of a plane like and there's this string, you're dropping these anecdotes here and in all of them. I'm just kinda like what you know these sound like very significant events to me and maybe there maybe I'm misunderstanding but it doesn't sound like there's a lot of periods of time between these these are all like maybe a 10 year span that all this is going on.
Doug Setter:
Yeah, of course it is ‘79 then I went to Hong Kong and ‘82 now and overseas and ‘92. Yeah, but 12 years a lot of stuff happens.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Okay, so So the point being you are clearly cut from a different cloth or maybe maybe as you're telling these stories you you've got the benefit of hindsight and it doesn't seem like as big of a deal but all these things you're saying I'm going what these these sound like these traumatic events where the traumatic in the moment.
Doug Setter:
Oh, yeah, definitely.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Okay. I think we're missing a bit of that.
Doug Setter:
You know, I apologize.
Jeremy Lesniak:
No apologies.
Doug Setter:
I just was so focused on it and it's interesting because, personally, you know, even I did another match. I just still didn't feel good enough. So, I was always trying to, and I met people like this. And I just to me, I was never enough right? And I was funny. Because later on, I see people, you know, they get the yellow belt and they're on top of the world. And this was a hindrance later on, because I never thought it was good enough. So I was always looking for the next, if that makes sense. And there were days when I spent all weekend feeling like I was throwing up because of the head trauma, whatever. So, yeah, it wasn't all glory. I mean, there were some jumps where they're coming down. And all I see is bodies lying, they're not moving, they're gonna hurt. Other days, you man. And she got a bit of thermal hot air and you landed sampling. Oh, that was easy. And then the wind catches you and drags you through a slot, whatever. But these are cool stories, you know? Everybody's gonna have bragging rights. Right? But you're right, you're absolutely right. There's some that are very uncomfortable. There's days when you know, you come home from the gym, and you get a splitting headache, because someone hit you too hard. Or, you know, and you're tired. And you're not too so and so. Yeah, there was downtime, definitely. But at the time, I just saw this role I wanted.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Sure, you know, you mentioned you kept going because, you know, it wasn't enough or you didn't feel good enough or whatever. Where did that come from?
Doug Setter:
Oh, probably growing up. Growing up. Yeah, I don't want to say, you know, for me syndrome. But yeah, I always thought that I got used to love that. Cool, you know, and I remember one time that gym teacher said hey, you know, you could probably be a pretty good runner, you probably get into the track team and then member's hockey, so who you and I'm just constant. So I was always trying to excel wherever I could and I noticed there is sort of a there's almost like a homeostasis or equilibrium that the world wants to keep you in a certain spot. And maybe it's your mind because like I could walk in a base tomorrow or walk on a construction site or be at home. You know, I don't want to do it but I just know what is familiar. Maybe it's like a friend of mine's friend might have been a corrections officer. They see this same context coming back? Because they feel safe where they are. They feel familiar. So I've got my cheese I think can be saved now if there is something you're absolutely right. I met the guys who trained with Jamie Hunter, a really cool guy. He played one or two matches. That was it for him. He was confident he left and I thought to me it wasn't good enough. I had to be better. But yeah, I admire the guys that showed up. And they trained and they got good. And then they accomplish what they wanted to.
Jeremy Lesniak:
It's interesting that you talk about it in that way, because this is the exact reason I didn't step into kickboxing. You know, a few years ago, I had the opportunity to meet some of the people that I've met through this show and started, you know, some kickboxing training. I have some skills. I'm not, you know, 42. Now, you know, not, not completely out of my depth. I can usually hang out with younger guys. But what's the end game here? I was going to step in, and either I was going to lose and have to do it again. Or I was going to win and have to do it again. Until I lost but I wouldn't be okay. Right. So I went through that mental exercise a number of times, so I completely get it. And I think, you know, you mentioned you were 120 pounds, I was 130 pounds through high school. You know, I'm five, seven when I first wake up. So there's probably a dynamic there as well that we share and wanting to want the world to validate us and say, you know what, yeah, we treated you poorly then but now you are good.
Doug Setter:
And it's funny, it doesn't seem to,. I've heard about that, too. I've heard people are very successful. And they still have that mindset, and maybe that's what pushes us but I've also seen the other extremes. And if I go into a kind of psychological shift, every tough guy like heart I'm talking to serious guys like for black belts, you know, got the fight broken job, but three guys, thanks to reality, but they get these meltdowns. And unfortunately, I've been around and some of them melted down and drank beer and whatnot hear these stories. Oh my gosh. You know, again, you know breaks my heart my hair story being beaten and beaten as a kid you know the father's committed suicide or being molested and all these things like oh my god is too much my hand but same token you have to martial arts was sometime you have to absorb the hurt he says sometimes it's you know and I snack the ones I feel it was nice because it's okay.
Yeah I'll show you some tea that I gotta get sugar up that honest. You know it's gotta learn to heal sometimes you got you he says you're instructing us to take the hurt but it's right and I have been in situations where sometimes someone's being aggressive with me and I think I can take you right and then go okay, we'll talk about this. I think that's where traditional martial arts defeats the ego. And you don't have to be proven yourself all the time. And that's why I admire both the traditional even though they sometimes lack what we think of the fightin side because let's face it, the kickboxing that it's more and you're absolutely right. When I was 40, I was working in a studio and a couple things I was teaching, women's cardio kickboxing, and some guys made a smart comment. He says what's next? New boxing. Okay, why just guy? And then the owner said, Look, we need a fundraiser, we need you. Would you go to the ring as an exhibition? Well, next thing we know, what's the title match? I'm 40. I went to university at that time. I had hardly any time to teach, you know, traditional martial arts. And, working late. So I remember doing all my classes with hand weights. So my shoulders I keep my hands up and I remember the last week before I said that's it. Young guys, 22/26 year old, better fight records to me. I never did play checks. Okay, last week I said, okay, I'm going to sleep more. So I deliberately went to bed earlier because I knew he would probably be hyper not to do so and then got in there. And in my mind, I was thinking I'm going to do this five rounds. I've only got three in my life. So I took it to him right away.
So because I knew they're going to square off, I watched the other magic square out the front kick the legs, kick the legs on. I'll take a right. So I'm like this to these feet in the back but I'm like taking the forehand ticket and he has to stand up to check so it hurts. It did not go as much so I don't know what I thought that was okay, I'm gonna come out of enclosed like a box. And then in the second round I changed sides. So I managed to get to the third round getting gas. I started a kind of budget. I waited for it to catch and I just kept pulling stuff out of the bag of tricks. I just noticed that a lot of them couldn't kick off the front leg. So that was kind of my keep away. I could throw off my front leg with fighters kept getting points support. I forgot as it was going on there. When I'm in the coronary drop, clear drops in the ice water I can't find do with the data. I get back and it's the fourth round and fifth round. And there I go. I sit in one accord. There's no you got to go back to tonight. After you have done it. He has no no you got to go back and I go, Holy crap. And we're sitting there and the towel comes across the ring. So his corners threw in the towel. Okay, I can do this. I take a few deep breaths to go up there. very nonchalant. Take a deep breath and he pulls a puff of steam inside.
Again, back to traditional you know, give him a hug arm up but ever get off of their limbs or they work your massage table. Now you have the title. Oh yeah, exactly. Yeah, you're absolutely right and what you said you nailed on the head. You can't stop and right away buddy there because only once a rematch above a gun and then the little son of a gun wants and I'm thinking I didn't do this guy but that's taken no that's it. I suppose it and they're poking around this guy's school says no, you know you're you're going into medical school medicine. So he was always, you know, kind of cocky. Whatever involved, wants your brains better and in six months later one time in the library just came down and sat down very simple. So how's it going pretty good and you seem almost apologetic but for a while their symptoms over rematch, rematch you know, blah blah blah rematch. Ego. Exactly. And you're absolutely right. And my intention was to learn self defense was never one that was becoming entertainment. You know, and yeah, I got more matches.
Well, you know what, I did some hard matches, and some guy came in. You know, it's like the Street Fighter. Remember, this isn't a bar. Watch out for Street Fighter. Yeah, Martin would pick on trucks. He picks on drunks and gets him in the park, like beating him up. And then oh, yeah, Martin said 100 fights okay. But yeah, well, I could pull down the schoolyard. Big deal, you know, again, I mean, I often think about that. Even my chiropractor was telling me he was saying so yeah, you know, we could get you know, jiggle a train. Yeah. By the way, he was like the number five full contact [00:36:16-00:36:18] fascinating character. He had just been kicked out of nowhere. I start with a once. And I'm not kidding. You're like this. And there's a foot right there. Okay. Maybe it's a light, something lights, something on the lights. So move around. Okay, all right. Is there? Okay. Thank you. Thank you for not knocking me out. I appreciate it. But yeah, even though like I said, the chiropractor all wants me to go back in the ring. And I was telling myself look, I, in my suit, the seafood told me to cut it out. Your eyes don't look right. taken too many hits. And so that was hard. That was hard to do. I mean, it was fun being. And it was good, too, because it can see all the kids. I was teaching kids. I did it for free in the app, but they were like, Oh, yes. Center. And the parents would come up to you. And that's cool. But that's not the point. It's not what we're here to do. We're not here to do so but that was I gotta bet you can't take that away. No.
Jeremy Lesniak:
So what's interesting is, you know, very, as a percentage, very few of us are going to apply our training in the way that you did. Right, right. And what I find is that the majority of people who compete in those kind of full context circles, whatever, whatever the display, whatever the rule set is, they tend to they tend to become really focused on that, that that is the be all and all that is what differentiates, well, training, etc. But it sounds like despite that, you have some different attitudes towards it. Like that's what I'm picking up.
Doug Setter:
Definitely, prior to that, that was ‘98. So, ‘96 I lost a lot of money in real estate, can tilt my girlfriend, blah, blah, blah, you know, and I remember being in this half renovated house I was working on and the heat was cut off and, and I just got to a pivot point. I remember going down the base and doing my forms over and over and over for I go running. They go work every night, come back, I'm just doing tough, sweat exhausted, and pass out. And I just do it. And after a while. That's when I started teaching aerobics. I felt really embarrassed. The only guy in my class and I only done anyway, pull it off. And I still want to do that. I put together cardio kickboxing and went to remember and all these people were assessing me. I just put my head down. Okay, follow me and I just did my workout. And I looked and they loved it. And so I did that. And I found but yeah, I could do this I got later on so cheaply. I didn't. I don't know how people say, you can't be good if you have a black belt. Well, I had a black sash and you know I knocked people out there grinding place.
There's something right. But again, it was that. I don't know. Again, not a good enough kind of attitude. And so I went to school because I would never have thought of myself as a very good student. So I went to university and I got a science degree and handled a lot of it but again, it taught me I could do it taught me I could sit and study. And so it a lot of people, they don't understand they, they think it's all or nothing they think you're, you're a complete couch potato or your Olympic athlete, they don't understand that that those daily things you do that walks a corner that five push ups, you know, doing the form, doing your form forms are awesome forms give you flexibility to give you strength and stability.
They as I think when Andy Allen was saying he couldn't believe it when he went into jiu jitsu. There's this karate form, there's a crappy form, and it's actually a hold. And I do the same thing when I do it. Don't fool, I started talking just like, oh my God, I've been doing this for years. I'm doing this. It's from here. This is actually a you know, it's actually a whole like, what the heck. And so that's what I find nice about it is not all, you know, fighting, per se, its health. It's building your body. And then there's also kind of an expressive part to how Bruce Lee talks about that show. Why not? But that was a really good time. The best, the worst, like losing money. And that forced me to go into what I liked doing. And I remember going to these different gyms. And I'd say Look here, I've got the system. I like to teach it all. We all know who we are. And I talked to one guy, he told me this. He was an ex-vice cop. lifelong friend now. And I don't know who we are. So he called my chiropractor and the chiropractor gave me the word. And the guy who came gave me free. I started bringing people into his gym. Then he's turned. Okay, well, sure. We started splitting and we put on certain seminars of that.
So it's a really good time. But that was cool, because there's so much going on. Again, like you said, it's not just don't just be in the next fight and actually some of the top guys I knew when [00:42:08-00:42:10] he now does stuff for the movies now. He was like a light heavyweight champ. But when they lost they went outside of their focus. And why not? You can only get punched in the head so many times. It's not worth it. It's not a sustainable career. And what's the average lifespan of a competitive Muay Thai athlete like two years or something? Oh, yeah, they end in their 20s you don't see any older when you don't see many older blocks here. You don't see many older aerobics instructors. I've seen a few in their 40s and they're all very intervenes sticking out early in the diet healthy because you can overdo it. And I concur. I admire guys like Foreman...
Jeremy Lesniak:
Yeah. George, George Foreman. The Box Foreman.
Doug Setter:
Sorry. Yeah. Good job. Yeah. George Foreman. We were going there if you were going there.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Oh, yeah.
Doug Setter:
Yeah. Greatest martial art is harder than standing up. How do you stand up and call yourself the greatest martial artist?
Jeremy Lesniak:
Did he make that claim? I'm not sure if he did.
Doug Setter:
I think he was in movies. Don't get me wrong.
Jeremy Lesniak:
I've known people who saw him in competition, or really, who witnessed him in competition. And apparently he was next level. Really? Some really impressive stuff. Still around? But it's still around. Well, we've looked into it and we've tried to get him on the show. Because you know, he's a piece of our history of our culture, whatever on the show. Hasn't happened. Maybe someday.
Doug Setter:
Yeah. Well, you know, he is cool when I saw one of his movies. And I was cool that he was told to get a mouthful of water and run with it. And then he had to come back in the muscle water.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Oh, I remember that. Shoot. Let's go back.
Doug Setter:
Yeah. But a little bit, and you know what I used to do, that was most garbage trained. And I read a book, The Apache children used to do that, and are expected to run for miles and come back sped up the water. So I worked up about a mile and a half. And you have to really calm your breathing and get more water. And you got to just run easy and just as you go.
Jeremy Lesniak:
So it's really interesting. I have this theory that a lot of these older, seemingly ridiculous traditions are rooted in something right? They didn't stick around for no reason. And one of the things that we're seeing now is that it's only been around for a few years, at least I've seen it. But this notion of training, breathing solely through your nose, so you maintain a parasympathetic state, so your body stays in a more relaxed state. So you're not devoting energy to adrenaline and constantly jacked up all the time. But saving the mouth breathing and the intensity for competition, because you can recover so much better. And I've done I've experimented with this, we actually have a cardio training program. And it's rooted in this principle, because just the little bit that I implemented in my own training, like it was game changing in weeks, rarely. Yeah, thank you. So whether or not that's why they did it. That's what I think of when I hear a story like that.
Doug Setter:
Oh, it sounds and what I like about martial arts, traditional martial arts, you go into some of that against out there. But I remember some of them go through, you know, they talk about delayed death touching the[00:46-16-00:446:18]. What the heck, I read this Chinese gal said, and talked to us. Yeah, blame that cheap, she starts laughing Cheap by The Dark Arts. And she started but you know, I talked to again, and my guy taught me Eagle Claw. He was talking about the chakras and the energy centers. And when you're on very basic earth, and earth is just basically very hard blocks. And some caught me. I talked to another guy, he mixed it up, he coalesced the board, he mixed the elements with something else. And then the next level is the fire. And the fire is like he says very aggressive. Musashi Miyamoto, Musashi Book of Five Rings, talks, this is very aggressive. It's just very responsive. And the next one's a water and the water is very fluid, and yields and goes back, and then airs, it's out there manners kind of. And then the next stage is the ether, or the cause something else?
And that's like you said, that's when you get to that stage, where do you kind of you don't even react, but you're not even… What's your program anymore? You just poke a draw, and whatever it comes up. And so initially, let me explain. So stage one, punch that other to block it, right? You finally, instead of going like your hands are up, stick your head, you just shift your body calm by your hair, or you just shift your hand and just afterwards, you still react. But instead of flinching, the body turns or your body takes it very, you do something. So that's the first stage. And the more advanced stages I can actually and this is when traveling that day will be all I know is like a punch in eight minutes where he would flinch. She just knew exactly when it was coming. And that's when you don't flinch. But you know, that's the higher art. So when you're in this position where you're no longer you know, here comes defense number one block punch. Okay, here's now comes spontaneously, boom. And now it's like, no, it's not here. Yeah, it's not here. It's not here. So like it's not. I think that's what they talk about. I mean, you draw it, I don't know. But sometimes I'm starring. And I guess something just comes out of nowhere, as I never practice that, or that come from.
Jeremy Lesniak:
There are these moments, right? And like, that's in Japanese, it's Satori, right, like this idea that you're just, you know, the conscious mind just kind of falls away. And your training just happens. And I've had an issue. I've been training since I was four. And I've had like, half a dozen of them in my life. And they're just my reactions. Kind of kind of like, what I think you're describing just like, Where'd that come from? Like, surprised at my own? If I want to call it skill at that moment. Maybe it is, but I can do that. That's really cool.
Doug Setter:
Exactly. And I remember what I was confronted with, and thanks for going. Let's just say the conversations are going nowhere. I tagged this guy and actually probably went down and I said stop. And I remember just going I didn't want I just went, he came at me, I'm just like, straight. Right? And I was just at the right moment. And he collapsed. So amazed, I just sat over looking at like, oh my god that works like not, you know, I mean, not, you know, just his head didn't snap or nothing just like, That's so weird, like, what we call it what the heck that and of course buddy jumps in there and clocks in game on but, but that was it was like, like our stuff that where it was like just this you know, this limit call realization or common sheet cognition or whatever. What was that?
Once you stop and you know, sorry about that, by the way, but it was like, Oh, my god that was so that was you know, he tried to make it out like what where that come from? And he says it's fascinating to see you talk to people later on. And that's really cool. That's when I was with the army. I went over to the former Yugoslavia. And we're peacekeeping. I remember controlling when we had two warring factions in America trolling one night, and I'm just walking down this road keypad because there's cameras everywhere. Just standard standard payment card Pakistan. And you know, the fireflies that go on crickets are gone. And then suddenly, the back of my neck and the hairs came out. I stopped when I looked back at us like yeah, we boys weird now people say oh, yeah, jam though. But no, something was telling me not today. So just back off gracefully. And we laughed.
Jeremy Lesniak:
When I teach self defense, that's the first thing that I talk about. You know, when you have real conversations with people who have been in impromptu violence quite often there was an instinct that they violated. I knew something was wrong. And I think we have it for a reason. It's got to be there. Whether your view of humanity is evolution, or creationism or intelligent design. I don't think it matters. Because we are right there. There's more than enough documented evidence like it's there. We've got it for a reason. And our modern society encourages us to ignore it. And it's really a shame because I know it has saved me on a number of occasions.
Doug Setter:
Yes, yes. And that's the beauty if you've ever seen the movie, the Seven Samurai. Yeah, but there's one scene there were these tests and use these wrote in these mercenaries to go on the road and one guy walks the room and of course he gets killed because attacked next time goes in and because he attacks and the third guy is one harsh looking guy just looks in shakes his head not going in there. And he and the height to me, he trusts himself in the higher instinct and you're obviously right I'm not sure a book called one less victim. Yeah, because I was thinking about there's certain serial criminals but there's also several victims. I know in the army the same guys always got beat up well, but it is absolutely not politically correct. To say that sorry.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Right. I'm with you. I'm with you. As habits occur all over the place. Sometimes people for you know, we don't have to unpack the psychology of it. But please continue.
Doug Setter:
Sure. I talked but I'll be blunt. You know, he's an editor but I try for him. I was researching this. This is really weird. Because I know the same people follow these patterns the same and you're sending out signals because you know, you could have some guy trained in taekwondo. He might not know anything but his body posture is different. And the same thing I remember one time I was in a cafe and he's given us our time so what I was talking to him gets goes the cashiers back when and pay because of the roll of pennies. He walks by smiles at the table and he's holding on and they all kind of you could see the continent as just something and it was that posture wasn't like a threat. Well wasn't a threat but just so sorry. But anyway, I started studying this and because I did I wrote a kind of crime column for a while. I used to write the same for the monthly newspaper. And I noticed this constantly saying I knew something was wrong. And I phoned up my psychologist friend one time and he right away. Yeah, I agree. Like really dying in case he has. Yeah. I know a woman who was raped five times hitchhiking, which keeps chugging and I hold the card you know and and I want to talk to victim services. I said, do you see spiders and she's no, we can't talk that's not right.
And then two days later she pulled me back says you know what you got something there it's true and she said when they have these crime reports it seems there's there's random things like crazy things that happen like these guys who broke into homes and they would they would steal jewelry then go into kid's room pull heads off all the stuff toys and just some weird stuff like just but that was where but also there's people consistently crime victims and and I find that interesting and my whole thing when I teach martial arts like you said they tried to break that and far as I'm concerned a lot of that is the traditional confidence look after yourself but you know treat yourself right. Dealing as it might be a small thing, but I don't feel and he's a self defense expert and a whole point because I've gone into another. Here's another story that this guy had come in one time teaching the kids class teams class names. Yeah. I'll tell you what, I'm almost finished with the class you got in the last five minutes. Just pay your teacher right? It's just a class. Good class. Listen, we have Mr. I won't use his name. He's gonna show us Muay Thai and boxing are fun because he does something that's like okay, that's pretty lame. Okay, thank you.
Thank you mister whatever. And you're just rude. Crash and but here so later he offended me. I don't want to say well to another kickboxer later and it was funny. Years later I read a book about Hells Angels in Canada but it is if I come into a different club, says the White Crane club whatever and I pay respects. Are you doing it short? You know what sometimes they just open up to you is awesome. They'll come in like you know everything you're gonna get a DD or just ignore you and I found that was my ego. I went to a restaurant one time and they're kind of ignoring me. It's a Chinese restaurant in Norwich. And I came back and he said, yeah, come on. I'm gonna do like, quiet little fun. But white foreign though I said, I don't think the lights go on. And he sits down, thinking I'm running over to him. And he does it by waving my hand goes no other. Look, say bring him a special menu. And he is my friend here. He's claiming this. Boom, boom, boom, everything done for the sky. And it was hilarious. But I found out later on, he helped them sort some people out because of the trouble whatever but it was just, but again, that respect that courtesy. And that saved me one time. I remember a taekwondo guy invited me to a nice bloke breaking seminar for his black belts. And it's really cool. There's some good techniques but I remember coming down on these boards and paying going up to brass and I gave him polite bar to him gave me enough to maintain my composure so that I get now he told me a story of the guy who broke a bunch of boards his head and then he bowed he walked offstage and passed out all these things tied in there was always to me I've seen, I've trained with guys who are criminals done stuff borderline stuff but you know what they give them the time of day you treat them right you straight up your sector club and done.
God they treat you like gold and that's one of the best things. I went to live in a place called Winnebago and it was a renovated house that did a lot of work. I hated it. I just hated the whole place but I gotta have a chiropractor. He's done as an instructor and I started meeting the martial art community and they're so cool. They're just so cool to mix lists and and you know you'll learn so much and one time I went to martial arts store and I'm telling us this couple who does this who does that because you don't want to go see done and learn off him like a one center
Jeremy Lesniak:
Like that's great. You're talking about these, let's call them people, people with different experiences, different walks of life, people who have, you know, because we don't all grow up in a kind world, some of us grew up in a very harsh world. Yes, yeah. And what I'm hearing and the way you're talking about folks, there seems to be no judgment, as you're talking about some of these other people, which is really interesting to me. So because you were, I'm assuming the way you're describing it is the way it was. If you were engaging with these folks, without judgment, I assume you were able to have an element of your education on to the world and into the martial arts, that most of us are not going to have, you know, let's be honest, I'm not going to intentionally engage with people that I know, we're criminals, and just where I've been raised, the people I've been around, I'm less likely to be around folks who have that life experience. Right? What if you look through if you thread through those folks, what did you learn from them? Maybe someone like I didn't have the opportunity to learn? Because I didn't engage with them.
Doug Setter:
That's a good point, you know, but I thought this was soldiers as well, some, and you're absolutely right. It's, it's, I think I found out it's gonna be an act of kindness. You see them doing things that you know, okay. And then someone tells you oh, by the way, he does. Okay. I wouldn't do that either. But, you know, it's like, nothing really vile. Don't get me wrong. But I think okay, you know, yeah, he's hard on me. Because he does this time of day, I remember going to a place with oxygen printing. I found out later on, he was doing some stuff on the side. But at the end of the workout, we all line up, salute to the Korean flag, and I've even given me a bow because he respected me as long as he beat my head, and, you know, but he was just very polite, you know, like, not funny. Like, it was like, we're training brothers in a way. I think it's almost, I respect their ability, I respect their discipline and I've seen them do respectful things, kinds of things. Just the way they treat, you know, some of these really awkward kids. You know, little kids have a hearing problem, or, you know, I think something might be going on that is not cool, but just the way you treat them. Sometimes they Holy crap, you don't have to, but they still do it. So that's where I kind of make leniency or hold the judgments. I mean, trust me, they're hard drinkers who are doing some... Like I said, and nasty guy but you know, I've never seen cruelty.
Like I remember this one guy on our combat dude. What happened while this happened, and he put some guys down, but it was never distancing. vindictive or mean, I'm just a crazy fighter. It was consensual. Like, I remember one time. I was walking with a date. Some guys that person, man, they got close with a girl. It was like, Okay, no, that's it. Don't pick fights and guys and dates, like, he still had an honor system. Famous a bad example. But that's what I say.
Jeremy Lesniak:
But it's an interesting illustration of as you're talking, the word that's coming to mind is code. You know, in martial arts, we're Oh, yes, you're used to a coach. You know, we talk about Budo. Let's talk about these principles. And I think it's easy to forget that we don't all have the same code. Oh, no. But in my opinion, the definition of integrity is holding up that code. Yes. And so, you know, the example that you just gave, not my code, I'm not going to pull up next to somebody and curse them out. But the integrity of not violating their code when they realize oh, there's a woman president we're not going to do that is driving away. It's never going to be my experience. I'm never gonna be that person in the car. But I can still respect the forceful implementation of a different worldview.
Doug Setter:
But what I admire too is as I talked in the forums they sought Reasons Why You know, the fights were consensual and when I was in the barracks, you know, argument Yeah, okay, who's ever right? wrong and it gets into a scuffle then that's it. Okay, we're done. We're done. Like Okay, gotcha. And nothing was set. Under one time I came in, and had a few beers. And [01:05:10-01:05:14] a big angry guy who's often drunk, but of course Danny won't shut up and he just keeps bugging me.
And finally, here it comes in the door swings open. And there's a stocky dude. I didn't know. Just stalking look. He goes. He says something these uh, yeah, the scope. It goes up to the speaking guy and they start trading punches scrolling back and forth it grabs and it starts kicking him a few times. And the guy and the big guy sounds bad enough. It looks at all this disgust Blockstack him slams the door like we must have been making distributors TV shows or something. But there was no swear. Like it was just like, the whole lot you shut up.
But it was like both said, okay, I get it. And then we all just and I worked with the guy for months. And we talked sometimes and the style. Yeah, I used to box back home. But nothing. Nothing, you know, nothing. This is the arrogance I hear nowadays. It's just over and done. And you're absolutely right.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Let's say I'm not gonna be able to attribute this line, but I heard it recently. It's somewhere in the and maybe it's just being repeated. But I've heard it in the current crop of, let's say violence and self defense here. And it is the people who obsess over violence. People who've never experienced real violence.
Probably maybe right. It's funny to say that because I remember going overseas, I don't just do peacekeeping but we're all pumped up. Sure. And I remember the guy said, yeah, just this firefight and then I'm getting there thinking these poor people at nasa they've lost their homes, they've ticked off the you know, and some guys from headquarters. We never had to go on patrol, you know. I'm sure I hit the firefight that took, right. I've been the aftermath of fire pulled that way is this whatever bit messy but you're absolutely right. You're obviously right guys. I mean, don't get me wrong I would have bragging rights if I was there you know kill and whatever but again it's the right place, tight time. I've got more guns, this thing was self defense. it's not consensual you're not squaring off. I made that mistake once so I won’t do that again. I pulled a hammer on me, you know. But it came out of nowhere and again, I knew something was wrong but you take the stack and I walked away. I backed away but in the Army infantry, we do ambushes when you raise to take every advantage you have, and this is what the criminal does. They do not square off for a fair fight.
Jeremy Lesniak:
“Excuse me, sir. You know, you have 30 seconds to prepare. I would like to engage in an altercation for your wallet.”
Doug Setter:
Yeah, you don't mind.
Jeremy Lesniak:
“I don't mind. Okay, do you have a minute?”
Doug Setter:
They will go very quickly, aggressively. And for bigger numbers. the patient dies. So now that's a very interesting part too. When people do get assaulted, I interviewed some victims and there's trauma in it. It's horrible because I know that I've been hammered and pulled on me. But when I grabbed my date I walked across the room. I took her across the street, and I just saw it because having to throw me off. I'm thinking you know, hit the block here. Just jumped on whatever but he can. So CrossFit and after that I felt I looked bad in front of her. You know, there's all these other things going on. It's not just oh, you know, I saved my life wherever it's just, now I look less than a man. It doesn't happen on a certain level. I've ever seen a friend of mine get roughed up and his girlfriend kind of done. Because, you know, in her eyes, you're not what she shouldn't be sad about, but true in some examples. You know, it's until you can correct that I don't get to a survival level. And even with our peers and go. You know, I had a friend who's a lawyer. Alright, I mean, I always feel confident if he backed me up in any kind of sizzle trick with some very nice people I know. I wouldn't think of even taking them with me. You know, they're good friends, but we're talking about survival right? Now something happens to a family. It's horrible because they're not just, oh, our car was broken. No, no, now you are dedicated to your life but it's all these things. And that's why self defense is so important. It's not just about not getting ugly nose or a loss. It's these things that I mean, all these things that go on into trauma, the degradation, the damage, etc, etc. So, I don't know if I answered that. But that's what I thought was the worst. I know, as a kid getting beat up, not so much. And yeah, I'd rather get a bleed nose and get graded or embarrassed.
Jeremy Lesniak:
You know, I spend a lot of time it sounds like you have to try and unpack the
the realities of these scenarios, and there are cannons that are in conflict and one of the one of the conflicts is our primal instincts and social conventions. They're not always alive, no, not even canned. And I think it's really interesting that people who don't fully understand that conflict exists become so dismissive right? We are hardwired. There are things we are hardwired to do. And I'm not even going to go into examples because it doesn't matter because I think we can all think of some of them that that hard wiring, you can work with it, you can work against it, but you're always better off acknowledging that there are things that everybody listening is hardwired into, and especially around violence, the more we understand how that works, how that operates, how, you know, the selection of victims, the psychology of the person who becomes a repeat, violent perpetrator, perpetrator violence, right the more we know the better we can implement that.
Doug Setter:
I can totally tell it right. I can't retain just by rambling for hours into it. Yeah, I remember one way of self-defense or not was women's fitness class. We're talking [01:12:31-01:12:33] one of them. I don't tell you what. What do you know, is that repeat victim? Who would it be if you were to be a predator and right away? The lady wasn't there and they said yeah, so and so. She had just one lady who had a leg injury so it's very awkward. And be like can you think of a herd and you see the lion sees the one awkward looking animal? Well, there you go. And if you take a step further, I said well, next time in a mall and I've done this with people we sit there in the malls in the food court so look around what would you think if you were your mother and don't say anything just right and consistently.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Studies done on this with criminals, you know, incarcerated criminals and they will show people lists of individuals who would assault, who would you fill in the blank? And there were seemingly if I remember this the last bit that I pulled on this seemingly, regardless of what they were incarcerated for, oh, really picking the same people. Interesting. That part blew my mind. That does too, to me, but if there's something, a flag or radar, it doesn't have an energetic presentation of victimhood. Yeah, that would make sense. Something picks up on what's happening.
Doug Setter:
There's one to remember, it's really cool. Author Andrew Vachss, he is a child of slavery, right? So real cases. And he says there's something we're an animal that looks bonded. Like if you had a, say a lion cub, and he said there's something about certain animals that the other predators know there's consequences. They can just pick up on that. Whereas an orphan flying club depends right away, they have to sense that it's okay. It's a free game and I find the same with some people in your apps. You're absolutely right. The process for a rip off assault and even a scam is very similar. It's very similar to buying and the one part that I found that's really true to me is what they call an interview. And I've had, you know, solid pops up in there. And I just remember a guy asking for a cigarette and going. Don't look him in the eyes. They're against us till later on. Right and I remember another time we were on this bridge when we had to look back into work guiding that thought.
He goes hey, go let me go. Yeah, I get it right close for you, how are you doing? I’m fine. And then just kind of weird for but otherwise before that guy pulled a hammer right away. I was getting that. Yes you know so there's my this is good. I'm just gonna say if you can win the interview you want to get the fight so when a car full of guys goes by and would get catcalled, you don't say you're having a bad day you say something that an old that he jumped out or I've had a little guy come up to me. I stepped around like I did a bad class step. I didn't even think. I just stepped around him. And he starts cursing at me and I see the corner. I saw these curtains open or something. His friends are waiting for this. But you're absolutely right. If you can beat that aggression or when it's trying to intimidate you. Then they're kind of like, oh, strange dog sniffing you then you're probably not going to go.
Jeremy Lesniak:
One of my favorite de-escalation tactics is appearing unbalanced. Nobody wants, nobody's going to go around bragging, they beat up a crazy person. You got that? Right. Yeah, you know, so you start talking about picking your favorite, like, off the deep end, conspiracy or whatever, and just get really into it? Or, you know, I mean, there's all kinds of ways you can take that with the sense stuff, and we'll start to wrap up here after this. One of the things that I think really holds us back as martial artists and Self Defense in the West, is our cultural reliance on science. Yes, we know there's a sixth sense there is there is some there's some stuff going on. But it's not accepted by everyone. You know, if I were to Google right now, you know, what are the senses? It would list that there are five and it would name them off. And we all know what they are. But to open up a little bit of space and say, you know what, this is a thing. So many of us, I would argue all of us have experienced it, whether or not we admit it or not. And if we can implement that in the curriculum as it sounds like you have, as I know, a number of martial arts schools have I think that is the best first line of defense, which would you agree totally.
Doug Setter:
It's amazing. Like I said, the[01:17:55-01:18:02]. By the way, my friend and that guy in Hong Kong. He was saying, guys, the other day is walking down the street when two guys looked like they wanted trouble. And so he started talking to himself. And they went to the other side of the street. They went away. So you answer right. But I think that is the best thing. And I think that you know, you can call it whatever you want, energy, your universe energy or whatever. But I think that it's something to that. No, there is something that I want to say I think I know. It's what you could pick up quickly. You can pick up where you assess the situation. And if you go in with a good heart, like no bad intention, I think I believe your mind will work with you. Yeah, they'll work with you. And they'll pick things out and you walk in a room right away. Sometimes I pick up people I want to talk to or people are a threat. I mean, so that is something. Yeah, you can't just do crunches and cardio to get that.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Exactly. Oh, we are so on the same page. You mentioned you'd written more than one book. You mentioned a book that you've written.
Doug Setter:
Oh, I wrote a few books.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Yeah. Okay. Give us the synopsis. Like what are these books? Commercial time.
Doug Setter:
Commercial time. Thank you. Well, One Less Victim: A Prevention Guide. And, basically exactly what you're talking about. I talk about early stages, when you're bullying a school conditioning, you know, certain people are more susceptible to being bullied, secure and solutions. It's a typical scam. And then another one I wrote was flat seven flattening, because everyone who was started by someone today got flat cut after 50 because when you're older, find out those aches and pains started coming in. And there's certain things to do, like posture, breathing, body alignment. Good another I wrote, Strength Endurance Secrets that we talked about. You know, another one actually, alcoholism was always interesting to me and read a lot of work work on it was called reduce your alcohol craving because some people have biochemically more prone not just their upbringing they are they just state they have a gene that like my body rejects it very quickly. I drink the very back and forth to Washington four times whereas other people can drink and there's all biochemically there are several outlets as well but what we're just dougsetter.com and you can find these folks that are interested.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Yeah. Okay. How about social media? Do you do any?
Doug Setter:
Yeah, I got a website. I'm on Twitter, just @SetterDouglas. on Instagram, Doug Setter @dougshealthsolutions. And what else. I gotta catch up.
Jeremy Lesniak:
There's so many the last time I pulled the list. And we're anything that seems like it expands and then it contracts. And I think we're in an expansion right now. There are, you know, they're probably 15 platforms, you can make an argument to be on right now. You know, We do Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, and Instagram.
Doug Setter:
Oh, yeah. I'm on YouTube, too.
Jeremy Lesniak:
And that's about it. And what kind of stuff do you put up on YouTube?
Doug Setter:
I do fitness stuff. Fitness. Little kickboxing, but mostly fitness stuff. All the guys fitness stuff. Find your body. I didn't want to have to write a book.
Jeremy Lesniak:
You made a video on how to write a book.
Doug Setter:
Yeah, just talked about that.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Because I've only seen how to write a book. I've never seen a video on how to write a book.
Doug Setter:
Oh, I can talk about overcoming writer's block. Hmm. And that's the whole thing because again, this ties in with what we are. I'm not good enough. Good. I just I can't do this. He'll touch you. And and then then you get perfectionism. Are you saying? I'm either, you know, talk Karate Champ. I'm a total loser. No, you can be good at martial arts there was there a martial artist as a martial arts good. He trained they follow this. You can do these things. So there's always little rewards. There's a whole bunch of things that get in the habit of sitting down and just putting words down. Oh, I write that was a drunk was a crazy. Some days I've been up for in the morning, getting all inspired. And then next day, I look out and go, Oh my gosh, someone broke into my home and broke. But the thing is you like so many things. This is the small commitments to get us to where we want to go. So it's not a big deal. It's not what you want one book. It's not a big deal. It's cool. We've done a box.
Jeremy Lesniak:
I've done a few, yeah, I've written. You know, we've got a few out there. And we're not you just you just chip away at it. It's like anything. How do you eat an elephant? How do you write a book on one page at a time?
Doug Setter:
Yeah, yeah. Do your form. But what am I gonna bust heads to your form. Go do your form, get your body lined up, get your body and eventually become I like to say calmer, more confidence. You know, you don't you don't have that. Whatever. Personnel. But as far as I did martial arts, it became our confidence wasn't as anxious. I was just angry. I wasn't trying to redeem myself. I was there for martial arts, like here there. And pass it on. I hope I pass it on to younger people.
Jeremy Lesniak:
You're passing it on now that you've said some good stuff. And so this is where we really wind up you know, I'll record an intro and an outro later, but, you know, you're you shared a lot today, you know, with me with the folks listening and I appreciate it.
Doug Setter:
Oh, thank you.
Jeremy Lesniak:
But how do you want to end? How do you want to end? How do you get to choose how we go out of here? What are the last things that you want to say to the audience?
Doug Setter:
Oh, geez, you know what? I'd say don't turn down the opportunity. Take you know, embrace it. Like stop listening to other people. Stop listening to no walls that don't know anything. Respect yourself. And just, you know, take the first step. Don't be afraid of the embarrassment I found. I found that I learned to dance. I'm still awkward like a stun bull in a china shop. Step up because a lot of people are the same thing. When I get to know them they are scared as well. Most people are all still out. We're all the same. In many ways. I've been to lots of different cultures, I've been traveling and to a lot of scared people, don't waste your time being scared. If I need to say anything, step up and do the best you can and don't ask for anything else.
Jeremy Lesniak:
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